line authority over the nsa, the defense intelligence agency, the national reconnaissance office and nga. virtually all the intelligence in the u.s. other than the cia reports to the secretary of defense, and there is a dotted line to the director of national intelligence, but as an official he has less than a thousand people under him, and secretary of defense has scores of thousands of people under him. >> michael: yes, that makes a huge difference. do you find obama's sort of countenance of clapper curious at all? >> i don't, rally, because i've long been watching this, and president obama came into office i think with a dual agenda. the end goal was to win re-election. the way he wanted to do it was to take his base with him, his liberal base by doing a lot of domestic issues that appeal to the base, gay rights, so forth. but to capture the middle and the right, by basically going to the right of george bush. he tripled the number of troops in afghanistan when he could have ended the war in the first six months. he increa increased the drone ws around the world, including killing ame